Try Hard Podcast #30 - A New Beginning

Try Hard Podcast: Try Hard Podcast #30 - A New Beginning

With us now being independent from Rooster Teeth, what's next? The guys answer all the questions.


This is an edited version of the original show. We removed a lot of the "name saying" of the wonderful g1s who became YouTube Sponsors and donated via Super Chat to keep the flow of the show going. We hope you understand.  If you'd like to watch the entire version you can as a RT FIRST Member. Use this link for a free 30 day trial: http://bit.ly/2dJck7r

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  • GreyGhost9036 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Angry Beaver

    6 months ago

    Ive been a first member for 4 years now and im grandfathered into 6$. I would love to directly support yall through my membership but i also dont want to lose my grandfathered status. So when i get the cash ill get a sweet shirt. 

  • ItsMeMara FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Nintendo Tuesdays that sounds super AWESOME

  • forest1wolf FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    as long as bolen is in im in

  • JesusChristman FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Best of luck guys, I can't wait to see where GA goes and how it grows.

  • AbstractSpaces FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    The new FIRST arrangement seems a little funky. You're making more money through Youtube, but there'll still be content exclusive to FIRST? Sounds like you and your core audience get a bit of a raw deal there. I hope you at least receive revenue from watchtime on the RT site.

    • calvcoll FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      Not affiliated to them, but I read on their blog post they at least get FIRST membership money from their supporters.

  • titations FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Thank you for answering my question in plain English. I am proud to be a supporter.  Here is to many years of success

  • jclark2747 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

  • tjc569 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    I am very sad that I just renewed my six month plan and that you all will not get a cent. Will be sure when I renew to make sure its for you all. 

    As a native north Texan, glad we are not losing Bolen and Craig to Austin. Also it was very interesting as someone who always wanted to get into Youtubing or streaming (damn that pesky full time job) to have the curtain pulled back a little. Already knew how much work the creating the content was but only read stories about the the recent Youtube fiasco (or the previous twenty) but never got saw much on content providers directly speaking about it.

    Anyways, I hope that in 4 years Game Attack is so large that you all need an army of corporate lawyers to protect all your cool stuff. Good Luck and God Speed.

    Sincerely,
    North Texan Lawyer who will now bleed purple. 

    PS: After twenty episodes of Mario Party (plus the few Craig v. Team ones) I am amazed you all can still speak to each other. My friends and I wouldn't talk after a game or two.

  • cardking_0

    6 months ago

    This was something I don't think I will ever forget being apart of.  Glad to support Game Attack.

    Heres to Chad, Sam, and Bryan and their futures, as well.

  • MrButtersox FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! #Bleedpurple

  • BennyH FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    So... in all this there is a push for people to sign up for first membership as GA affiliates, yet this podcast goes up for first members and to youtube at the same time... 


    Also the "Full unedited version" that is mentioned in the description isn't currently available for first members?

    • CraigSkitz FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      We generally release Try Hard at the same time for FIRST members and YouTube. If we can get it up sooner we do. The full version is posted.

  • AceofAces007 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Was anyone else a little underwhelmed by the answer to the question of "Why make this move?" I get that Craig and Shaun have roots in Dallas and didn't want to move with the rest of Screw Attack down to Austin, but I don't think that really answers the question of why go independent. It only answers the question of why not go down to Austin. Them staying in Dallas doesn't really affect their relationship with Rooster Teeth because then the status quo would be unchanged. They could have remained with Rooster Teeth and stayed in Dallas. There's some other motivation that hasn't been raised by Craig or Shaun, which means that we aren't getting the full story here.

    • brrap_brrap

      6 months ago

      When a company loses half of its employees, its time to renegotiate some contracts. 


      Good luck Game Attack. Bleed Purple!

    • AceofAces007 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      @brrap_brrap, did they really lose half their employees, or are you just assuming that? How much of an overlap was there really between Screw Attack and Game Attack? Their staffs could have been largely separate entities with only minimal crossover, but we won't know that without a complete roster of some kind. If losing 11 people is really half of Game Attack's potential workforce (though in reality, it's less than that since there were some people, like Ben Singer, who were exclusively with Screw Attack), then can Game Attack really say that it has enough people currently on staff to make a move like this and go independent? Wouldn't it have been better to remain within Rooster Teeth, rely on that financial stability, and renegotiate how much RT would pay Game Attack for its content so that Game Attack can then turn around and hire new employees to make that content? RT would have provided the financial resources to help Game Attack replace its lost employees and continue to grow, so I question if independence is really the answer here in response to a diminished workforce.


      Let's call a spade a spade here for a moment. The reason for independence that they're not telling us is that they weren't happy with how much RT was paying them for their content (hence their multiple references to how they will now be paid directly by the viewers instead of having their money filtered through RT), and they wanted more money going into their pockets. Why else would they place such a heavy emphasis on YouTube views and donations (which they solely control) and do so at the expense of FIRST subscriptions (which they only get commissions for on new referrals and don't get anything from existing FIRST members)?


      I don't have a problem with Craig and Shaun trying to do what's best for themselves financially, but I would have preferred it if they were honest with us that this was motivated by financial reasons instead of this half-hearted explanation that Screw Attack moving to Austin was the sole reason for their split from Rooster Teeth and Fullscreen. People leave companies for financial reasons all the time, so it doesn't in any way suggest some kind of greed at play here. But I still can't help feel that this is a lie by omission, which makes the move a little more suspect and tells me we aren't getting the full story, that there's something worth hiding about the nature of those "renegotiations" and that Game Attack wants more than what RT is willing and/or able to provide.

    • CraigSkitz FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      allow me to be as honest as I can with you: you really have no idea what you're talking about my man. We're being as honest as we can with you. If there's one thing that my track record has shown over the last 11 years online is that I'm about as transparent as a person can get - almost to a fault.

    • brrap_brrap

      6 months ago

      Everyone that works at Game Attack is in this video except Parker, so yes they are losing half. 


      I'm happy they've decided to take the future of Game Attack in their own hands. They could've played it safe and kept receiving a steady check or throw caution to the wind and have faith in their loyal and growing community to support them more directly and allow them to get a larger cut of any profits that Game Attack generate now and in the future. If they grow as big as I, and the rest of Team Purple, hope they do this could be a very smart move both financially and creatively.


      And while they were trying to be "Hollow Man transparent", they may not have wanted to seem like they were unhappy with their former parent company or the changes in their office because they obviously still want to work with and be on good terms with Rooster Teeth and their co-workers after these changes. I can't speak for them, this is just my opinion as an outside observer.

    • AceofAces007 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      @CraigSkitz Okay then. Enlighten us. You explained that Screw Attack was moving to Austin and you guys wanted to stay in Dallas. That much makes sense, but why couldn't you have stayed in Dallas AND remain a part of Rooster Teeth, especially when Rooster Teeth's financial resources could have helped you hire new people to address the loss of personnel? Why go independent and deprive yourselves of a union that has already brought you guys success? That's what I think people are having a hard time understanding without some kind of clearer explanations as to your motives because logically, Screw Attack moving to Austin is rather irrelevant to Game Attack's status as either owned by RT or independent.

    • AbstractSpaces FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      I think your question is valid, but my guess would be that Screw Attack moving out has a significant effect on Game Attack's relationship with RT. Not being able to consolidate the two Attacks in one place probably increases the cost of maintaining Game Attack by itself, not making it worth it for RT to do so.


      We aren't getting the full story in terms of the business logic behind the separation, but those sort of things are rarely discussed publicly anywhere. However I do believe Craig's summary of the situation: the choice was either move to Austin or go indie, and they chose indie. There's no sourness or loss of respect between GA and RT, it's just a series of business decisions made as each party does what's best for themselves.

    • AceofAces007 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      @AbstractSpaces, I don't think RT would have given Game Attack an ultimatum like that of "Move to Austin or we won't support you financially." That doesn't make sense, especially when the entire tone of this announcement is that this was done voluntarily.


      The only scenario where this decision by Game Attack isn't voluntary would be if RT was going to outright close down Game Attack, but if they were serious about that, there wouldn't have been any contingencies on that termination, like deciding to not follow Screw Attack to Austin. You don't give ultimatums to people you plan to let go. You just do it.  


      If you're moving Screw Attack into existing office space within RT, and keeping the same Dallas office (or move them to a smaller office), where is the increase in expenses? What are you actually adding in terms of costs when this is just a physical relocation of Screw Attack? The net sum of offices and personnel remains the same. And even if there was an increase in costs, those would be for RT to bear, not Game Attack, and they would have continued to support them financially as an entity that they own and would want to grow and succeed, as they have been from the outset.


      That's the thing here. This really isn't an either/or scenario involving two choices since there were three choices for Game Attack: (1) Move to Austin with Screw Attack; (2) Stay in Dallas as part of RT; or (3) Go independent, yet Option 2 is being glossed over without an actual explanation as to why they don't want to go with Option 2. It's not that Screw Attack leaving made independence a necessity, but rather it was a choice they wanted to make for themselves, one that they could have easily made regardless of whatever Screw Attack was doing. That's the question that isn't being answered, and sidestepping the question of "Why leave Rooster Teeth?" with a non-responsive answer such as "We wanted to stay in Dallas" is not the right answer if honesty and forthrightness are their core values.

    • AbstractSpaces FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      Maybe you're on to something, but I think it's more likely your assumption is wrong. Staying part of RT in Dallas probably just wasn't an option. Business is complicated and doesn't always make immediate sense. Taking my office space example, leasing two buildings that add up to the same size as one larger building is usually more expensive.


      Like I said, your concerns aren't without basis but it's stupid to make these assumptions and declare a conclusion based on them. At the end of the day we can only speculate.

    • Phoenix512 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      I think it would be weird for Game Attack to be in the same location as Achievement Hunter. They do have their different styles and content but they are both Let's Play channels. There's no reason to have two departments that do the exact same thing in the same place. I imagine if Craig and Bolen went to Austin that Game Attack would merge with Achievement Hunter and clearly they don't want to do that at all.


      Screw Attack as a brand is unique enough that going to Austin is a great decision for them. Game Attack is a brand so similar to another brand at Austin that they are the odd ones in all of this. Craig and Bolen probably realized this and decided to go independent at this point since it was a good time to do so. 

  • RiordanOwensAus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Is this video the full version? And what does the schedule look like going forward both in terms of first and youtube?

  • Big-MikeVG FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    They say my real name on the full version.  #BleedPurple #How can you bleed?